Fox News isn't a news organization..

[TooFarTampa]

Remember, I don't watch Olby. That line doesn't seem to work too often around here. And it is fact that Olby is very hard to work with.

I don't know Ailes personally, but I can't imagine he or anyone is capable of morphing from a sleazy yet highly effective political operative (by ALL accounts) into a guy who just wants to bring fair news to the masses. The mindset of a fair newsman or woman is wholly opposite of someone who worked the way Ailes once worked for political candidates. That is the truth.

For the record, it still makes me wince that Stephanopoulous is host of This Week, even though he has been doing it for years and seems to do a good job. In my mind the high standards should apply to everyone. But they no longer do.

 

[30ashopper]

I agree with TFT and others, this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about Fox's opinion shows - they have good shows that lean right, MSNBC has good opinions shows that lean left, CNN has some interesting opinion shows and segments, heck even HBO has a good opinion show in Maer. It's about the fact that the currently administration is blacklisting an entire news network because they present critical reporting. I think it'll backfire on them, and really, they should be above such sillyness.

 

[kkddbb]

Remember, I don't watch Olby. That line doesn't seem to work too often around here. And it is fact that Olby is very hard to work with.

I don't know Ailes personally, but I can't imagine he or anyone is capable of morphing from a sleazy yet highly effective political operative (by ALL accounts) into a guy who just wants to bring fair news to the masses. The mindset of a fair newsman or woman is wholly opposite of someone who worked the way Ailes once worked for political candidates. That is the truth.

For the record, it still makes me wince that Stephanopoulous is host of This Week, even though he has been doing it for years and seems to do a good job. In my mind the high standards should apply to everyone. But they no longer do.

its quit obvious that many on here are olby zombies judging by their comments ie "fixed news", "faux news" and "fox noise".

ailes is frankly a genius. he saw that the american people werent getting the news in a fair and balanced way and brought it to them and has been very successful in doing so.

stephanopoulous has been getting better and better. he's not the koolaid drinker he used to be, but he also is irresponsible on many levels by not doing the full story. however, ill give him credit for making an attempt. he's a totally different person than he used to be without a doubt. he just doesnt bring the entire story which isnt doing the viewer a service. but, he's certainly not like the loons on msnbc thats for sure.

 

[kkddbb]

I agree with TFT and others, this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about Fox's opinion shows - they have good shows that lean right, MSNBC has good opinions shows that lean left, CNN has some interesting opinion shows and segments, heck even HBO has a good opinion show in Maer. It's about the fact that the currently administration is blacklisting an entire news network because they present critical reporting. I think it'll backfire on them, and really, they should be above such sillyness.

hbo? seriously? he is an absolute lunatic and one hateful and angry sob

 

[Bob]

I call BS on the whole Fox is not news...

I'll give you Hannity, Beck and even O'Reilly....They are OPINION shows in the same light as Olberman, Maddow, Mathews,

The rest is news.....Like them or not...the ratings don't lie

ratings?

 

[TooFarTampa]

its quit obvious that many on here are olby zombies judging by their comments ie "fixed news", "faux news" and "fox noise".

ailes is frankly a genius. he saw that the american people werent getting the news in a fair and balanced way and brought it to them and has been very successful in doing so.

stephanopoulous has been getting better and better. he's not the koolaid drinker he used to be, but he also is irresponsible on many levels by not doing the full story. however, ill give him credit for making an attempt. he's a totally different person than he used to be without a doubt. he just doesnt bring the entire story which isnt doing the viewer a service. but, he's certainly not like the loons on msnbc thats for sure.

We'll have agree to disagree on this point. Ailes is a genius from a business perspective, and definitely an opportunist and exploiter. As many have said he does what he has to do to reach a certain goal, ie political victory or ratings success. This is what it takes to be successful in the business world. But that doesn't equate to inherent fairness. The two are not mutually exclusive but they don't intersect all that often either.

 

[Blair]

Oh sure they do. You are trying to say that Roger Ailes is not a master political manipulator? It's about appeal, not the content.

Make no mistake, overall they're not much worse than anyone, and I do catch Shep from time to time, but sadly, the days of straightforward, fair and trusted news and analysis died long before Cronkite actually did.

But again, this is not a battle Obama needs to be fighting, it is laughable, in fact.

No more a manipulator than Les Moonves(sp?)....

I thought Tim Russert, a liberal, was as straightforward as they came...I miss him.

Did I just say that????

 

[Bob]

I agree with TFT and others, this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about Fox's opinion shows - they have good shows that lean right, MSNBC has good opinions shows that lean left, CNN has some interesting opinion shows and segments, heck even HBO has a good opinion show in Maer. It's about the fact that the currently administration is blacklisting an entire news network because they present critical reporting. I think it'll backfire on them, and really, they should be above such sillyness.

given the multitude of simultaneous problems the current administration is attempting to handle, i do not blame them in not wanting to respond to any queries from fox news. it's a waste of their time, and far from any silliness.

 

[Blair]

ratings?

Well...look them up yourself...You seem to be proficient at using Google...They have the 13 top rated cable news shows...

 

[Alicia Leonard]

I agree with TFT and others, this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about Fox's opinion shows - they have good shows that lean right, MSNBC has good opinions shows that lean left, CNN has some interesting opinion shows and segments, heck even HBO has a good opinion show in Maer. It's about the fact that the currently administration is blacklisting an entire news network because they present critical reporting. I think it'll backfire on them, and really, they should be above such sillyness.

I agree, but even a simple, small town reporter knows that if you manufacture, or misquote a public official or private citizen, they will probably not agree to speak with you again and quite honestly, why would they? If I twisted or made up something in an article, they would have a right to be upset.
There is a code of ethics that used to be present in American journalism. The Fox model, which others soon followed, was based on Australian journalism, which in my research is anything but "Fair and Balanced," never-mind if you have to tell people that you are "Fair and Balanced" you are probably not.

And before anyone's heads explode and they attack me, I don't watch TV, I don't have cable, and I don't belong to either party, so bite me.