Walton Co. School Board Meets about Blithe Spirit!!

[Smiling JOe]

The difference with songs and some movies, converted for TV, is that I believe permission has to be given from the artist/songwriter/movie directors, etc. Artists and their record labels know that their music won't get played on the air with potty mouth talk on the songs. Some artists will make a clean version of a song, while others like the bad-boy reputation and know that the dirty version will sell more copies. They don't want to be on the radio. With movies, like Smokey and the Bandit, which is highly edited for the tv version, features not only potty mouth but also racist remarks. You don't think the tv stations playing the movies are the ones doing the editing, do you? They are not.

I'm not sure what radio stations they are playing at school, but the only ones I can pick up around SoWal don't play potty mouth music, to the best of my knowledge.

For the play to be changed edited, I would think they would need permission from the writer. Maybe Seaside REP can comment on this. I'be been told that some of the plays which they perform do not even allow photos to be taken of the play due to copyrights.

 

[30A Skunkape]

The difference with songs and some movies, converted for TV, is that I believe permission has to be given from the artist/songwriter/movie directors, etc. Artists and their record labels know that their music won't get played on the air with potty mouth talk on the songs. Some artists will make a clean version of a song, while others like the bad-boy reputation and know that the dirty version will sell more copies. They don't want to be on the radio. With movies, like Smokey and the Bandit, which is highly edited for the tv version, features not only potty mouth but also racist remarks. You don't think the tv stations playing the movies are the ones doing the editing, do you? They are not.

I'm not sure what radio stations they are playing at school, but the only ones I can pick up around SoWal don't play potty mouth music, to the best of my knowledge.

For the play to be changed edited, I would think they would need permission from the writer. Maybe Seaside REP can comment on this. I'be been told that some of the plays which they perform do not even allow photos to be taken of the play due to copyrights.

I think the is a 'don't ask, don't tell' understanding in place, so the Rep may not weigh-in on this.

 

[questor]

The difference with songs and some movies, converted for TV, is that I believe permission has to be given from the artist/songwriter/movie directors, etc. Artists and their record labels know that their music won't get played on the air with potty mouth talk on the songs. Some artists will make a clean version of a song, while others like the bad-boy reputation and know that the dirty version will sell more copies. They don't want to be on the radio. With movies, like Smokey and the Bandit, which is highly edited for the TV version, features not only potty mouth but also racist remarks. You don't think the TV stations playing the movies are the ones doing the editing, do you? They are not.

YES, they ARE! It has been the policy for some time for both radio AND TV (which generally runs on a 60 seconds delay loop on "LIVE" TV") to "bleep out any words they consider to be offensive regardless of the artists' desires. George Carlin does a famous skit about "The Seven Words You Can Never Say on TV". He SAID the words and they were "bleeped" by the TV. This facts are easy to verify.

I'm not sure what radio stations they are playing at school, but the only ones I can pick up around SoWal don't play potty mouth music, to the best of my knowledge.

I don't know if you have AM or FM but if you listen to popular FM radio stations located between Panama City and Pensacola [No names or station id's please] you will have NO trouble finding music that I personally find both offensive and lacking in any socially redeeming or artistic value. My daughters even know what the words are and they can't believe they are allowed to be played. JMHO!


For the play to be changed edited, I would think they would need permission from the writer. Maybe Seaside REP can comment on this. I've been told that some of the plays which they perform do not even allow photos to be taken of the play due to copyrights.

There was NO need to CHANGE anything. I am sure it would be easy for an actor(actress) to simply "forget" their line when that special offensive WORD came up! Happens all the time. It is generally referred to a a "blooper". As in "WHOOPS I forgot what to say!" I don't know of anyone who ever got sued for forgetting their lines.

 

[Smiling JOe]

As I said earlier, the words mean nothing to the people who don't already know what the words mean. How did your daughters come to know the meaning of the words? That is the real question.

 

[NoHall]

I agree with your sister, IBD. I would also bet that there is copyright of the plays which don't allow it to be altered.

My personal opinion is that one's mind will absorb only that information which he or she already knows. Everything else is ignored.

I think the is a 'don't ask, don't tell' understanding in place, so the Rep may not weigh-in on this.

I mostly know about musicals; I believe that there are some differences in straight plays. Some of it has to do with public domain--you see Shakespeare cut up and edited and completely rewritten all the time, for instance.

Many schools, etc. will alter without permission, but you are supposed to get permission from whomever holds the rights to the show. There are many shows that my alma mater won't/can't do because the big publishers (Samuel French, Music Theatre International, etc.) won't allow any editing.

Where it's funny to me is that schools are allowed to cut up shows--remove songs which are too difficult and/or don't advance the plot, cut scenes that don't work, cut up songs and scenes so that they can be performed as one-act competition pieces, etc.

I've run out of etcs. I have to go do some stuff, etc.

 

[wrobert]

NOW you see my point. The Drama department (especially!) as well as most of the other "arts" operate on a "donation from parents" or "event sale" or whatever. The football team and sports oddly do not have that same problem. And the administration I am sure never goes wanting for money!
I would be EXTREMELY embarrassed to be the Principal of a School where the Drama teacher had to PAY out of his own pocket for the needs of his class, whether it be "Blythe Spirit" or "Harvey"!
I would LOVE to see the school budget audited! I wonder who we would have to see to get that done.

Do it yourself. Go to the school and make a public records request for all the expenditures, banking statements, and things of that nature and see what it looks like.

I just found out this year that these schools get paid to play certain schools by the other schools. It seems to be a negotiation that schools use to get different teams to play them to generate greater gate receipts. I never realized that so much thought was put into these team schedules.

 

[questor]

As I said earlier, the words mean nothing to the people who don't already know what the words mean. How did your daughters come to know the meaning of the words? That is the real question.

Was that a real question or are you being sarcastic? After all, I am sure you and most of the rest of us KNOW what they REALLY MEAN when they say "ho" and other MUCH worse derogatory remarks. She is almost 18 years old. She DOES talk to other students at SHWS. How many of them do you think DON'T know the "true meaning" of these words? It is all in the "context" they are used. These "Rap" stars are not the total idiots they ACT like. They have seen the light! It is all in HOW you say it NOT what you say! The corruption of today's youth is being done subliminally. My point is the she is intelligent enough to know right from wrong and WHICH words are WRONG! And I am very proud of her for that.
In my home I do not HAVE to use the V-chip or any kind of block on the TV, INTERNET or anything else. I am fortunate to have two wonderful kids who know in their hearts right from wrong WITHOUT outside guidance. And I TRUST them with that. Believe me, it is a wonderful feeling to know you can trust your children to always do the right thing.
I am not so sure I could have said the same thing about MYSELF when I was growing up.
Which has been my point all along. Protesting this play or ANY play, especially ones that are performed nationwide with NO PROBLEMS except right here is good old "River City" where "fool rhymes with school and that spells trouble!"
(most of you will know where that paraphrase came from)

 

[Smiling JOe]

...My point is the she is intelligent enough to know right from wrong and WHICH words are WRONG! And I am very proud of her for that.
In my home I do not HAVE to use the V-chip or any kind of block on the TV, INTERNET or anything else. I am fortunate to have two wonderful kids who know in their hearts right from wrong WITHOUT outside guidance. And I TRUST them with that. Believe me, it is a wonderful feeling to know you can trust your children to always do the right thing.

That is a very good post. You point out some important factors with which I agree. I didn't mean to really pick on you or your daughters. You did a good job of defending them, and I in no way was thinking about the word, Ho, when I wrote my post.

There was a time when I enjoyed listing to Ice-T perform. He wrote a very controversial song entitled, "cop-killer." I actually paid money to see him perform after that album was released with the song. They later removed it from the album after many threats of lawsuits to the record label. My thought is, "Cop Killer" is a song. I listened to it many times and never once had the thoughts of killing a cop. Many others can say the same. I even knew all of the lyrics at one time. I recognized it as nothing more than an angry song most likely created out of one's thoughts and or experiences. Did I turn out to be some gansta? Not at all.

I understand your point about the subliminal influences of music, but what I was intending to say in my post, is that if you don't already have the cop-killer instinct already in you when you listen to the song, you are not going to go out wanting to kill a cop. I understand parents' fears, but I find them to be mostly fears, and not something about which they should truly worry, even though worrying is a parents' job. I'm sure it is almost impossible for a caring parent like yourself not to worry.

You really bring out my point by indicating that your children know the difference between right and wrong. It is already in them. You have likely shown them that you care about their choices in life, and that they should, too, and you most likely lead by example. When your daughters hear a song (inappropriate as it may be) about "ho's and pimps," they are not going to become ho's and pimps, unless they already have it in themselves.

Carrying that to the plays, kids aren't going to go out and start to practice another religion after watching a play, unless they already had the want or desire within.

 

[questor]

Do it yourself. Go to the school and make a public records request for all the expenditures, banking statements, and things of that nature and see what it looks like.

I just found out this year that these schools get paid to play certain schools by the other schools. It seems to be a negotiation that schools use to get different teams to play them to generate greater gate receipts. I never realized that so much thought was put into these team schedules.

Obviously, you have never worked for a government agency. I have see some of the return for FOI requests for other government branches. By the time I could get the answer to a simple question, I would be old and Grey. (as though I am not already )

The point is, the administration KNOWS and if they are not willing to simply SAY what they spent on what, then ipso facto THEY have something to hide. I don't know or care HOW much is mis-spent. It was enough to me to see two years of the Drama Department having to go begging for money and getting the kids (my daughter included) to sew and build the costumes for the actors because there was no money to even RENT them. What kind of "public" school is this? One where there is NO accountability, obviously. Better yet, the money that was taken in from the productions of the plays did not even go back into the Drama Department's budget!
The money that was taken in from "FAME" was used to pay "debt" from the yearbook for last year. THAT is why we have "No money" for play rights AND why a fine, upstanding and VERY caring teacher reached into his OWN pocket to try to come up with the money to to teach his class.

 

[questor]

That is a very good post. You point out some important factors with which I agree. I didn't mean to really pick on you or your daughters. You did a good job of defending them, and I in no way was thinking about the word, Ho, when I wrote my post.

There was a time when I enjoyed listing to Ice-T perform. He wrote a very controversial song entitled, "cop-killer." I actually paid money to see him perform after that album was released with the song. They later removed it from the album after many threats of lawsuits to the record label. My thought is, "Cop Killer" is a song. I listened to it many times and never once had the thoughts of killing a cop. Many others can say the same. I even knew all of the lyrics at one time. I recognized it as nothing more than an angry song most likely created out of one's thoughts and or experiences. Did I turn out to be some gansta? Not at all.

I understand your point about the subliminal influences of music, but what I was intending to say in my post, is that if you don't already have the cop-killer instinct already in you when you listen to the song, you are not going to go out wanting to kill a cop. I understand parents' fears, but I find them to be mostly fears, and not something about which they should truly worry, even though worrying is a parents' job. I'm sure it is almost impossible for a caring parent like yourself not to worry.

You really bring out my point by indicating that your children know the difference between right and wrong. It is already in them. You have likely shown them that you care about their choices in life, and that they should, too, and you most likely lead by example. When your daughters hear a song (inappropriate as it may be) about "ho's and pimps," they are not going to become ho's and pimps, unless they already have it in themselves.

Carrying that to the plays, kids aren't going to go out and start to practice another religion after watching a play, unless they already had the want or desire within.

YOU ARE VERY !
you got my point and no offense was intended. This was a PLAY! and my 12 year old sees MUCH worse on the Cartoon Network DAILY! But she KNOWS it is a cartoon. Apparently we are surrounded by ADULTS (those who protested) who seem to have a SERIOUS problem telling "right from wrong" and "real from fantasy". I am more worried to know that there are so many of them. OR at least they know how to make it LOOK like there are!
These are the people who have nothing better to do than to tell YOU and I and everyone else how we should live our lives, what we should think, what we should say ...FOR OUR OWN GOOD!...
OR ELSE...... And you can point out the error in their ways to the end of time but it will NOT matter. To someone who is that fixated on a subject, there IS no alternative.