Torture in Iraq

[Uncle Timmy]

I put a disclaimer in there, and I think Americans need to be sick to their stomach to fight a war. I think the animals should be exposed for what they are. We continue to prove that we are weak and don't have the stomach for war.

I think this quote pretty much sums up what I take to be your position on a lot of issues.

Act out of emotion. Don?t think. Don?t see things within their context.

Just look at disturbing images and get mad, real mad and then outrage can take over and fuel/justify any response. Brilliant.

I cannot express how childish this whole thread is. How easy would it be for anyone to simply post graphic images from Abu Grahb? Or scenes from the Holocaust? Or lynchings in the American South? Or images of James Byrd?s mutilated body being dragged behind a car in Texas? Or scenes from the Oklahoma City bombing?

By your line of reasoning, every one of these examples would brand western civilization, and Americans, as animals ?and presumably justify any act of violence against us too. Congratulations, your thread has just justified 911.

In an earlier post I pointed out that you were helpful to these political debates, because you so clearly expose the stupid lines of thought that have gotten us into these messes in the first place, I see you are still providing this service.

 

[6thGen]

...Or you can actually volunteer to fight, or offer your family to fight. I think the people that support the war in Iraq should actually support it. So far we have yet to be taxed extra to help pay for it. Yet every war usually is paid in increased taxes not borrowed money. So we have done nothing but talk and sacrifice our youth in our effort on the home front. I wonder how many who say we have no stomach for war, have the stomach to pay higher taxes to fund it or don't mind losing their child in the sand.

If we aren't paying for the war through higher taxes, how are we paying for it?

 

[Cheering472]

If we aren't paying for the war through higher taxes, how are we paying for it?

Social Security surplus. This has been used in the governments general fund for years. So now we have a big Social Security shortage that had been addressed and rectified by previous presidents starting back with Reagan. And beyond that we just run a deficit in our national budget. We have had tax cuts not tax increases. If your taxes have gone up it's on the local level and only necessary then because of the federal tax cuts the current administration gave to the very wealthy.

 

[rancid]

I think this quote pretty much sums up what I take to be your position on a lot of issues.

Act out of emotion. Don?t think. Don?t see things within their context.

Just look at disturbing images and get mad, real mad and then outrage can take over and fuel/justify any response. Brilliant.

I cannot express how childish this whole thread is. How easy would it be for anyone to simply post graphic images from Abu Grahb? Or scenes from the Holocaust? Or lynchings in the American South? Or images of James Byrd?s mutilated body being dragged behind a car in Texas? Or scenes from the Oklahoma City bombing?

By your line of reasoning, every one of these examples would brand western civilization, and Americans, as animals ?and presumably justify any act of violence against us too. Congratulations, your thread has just justified 911.

In an earlier post I pointed out that you were helpful to these political debates, because you so clearly expose the stupid lines of thought that have gotten us into these messes in the first place, I see you are still providing this service.

Well said

 

[rancid]

If we aren't paying for the war through higher taxes, how are we paying for it?

Am I missing something? My tax bracket actually dropped under the Bush reign. As stated by someone else here, the cost will come down the road and Obama will be stuck with raising taxes to pay for the Bush fiasco.
You can be sure that 6th Gen and others will be *****in then about Dems , big government, cutting spending and the usual right wing small gov't junk.

 

[Cheering472]

Am I missing something? My tax bracket actually dropped under the Bush reign. As stated by someone else here, the cost will come down the road and Obama will be stuck with raising taxes to pay for the Bush fiasco.
You can be sure that 6th Gen and others will be *****in then about Dems , big government, cutting spending and the usual right wing small gov't junk.

No. You are on point and sadly 100% correct. Just like my Visa card, we will have to pay & it will hurt.

 

[Cheering472]

Out of here, vacation calls:leaving:
Have a good week.

 

[full time]

I think a good portion of the posters on here would fancy themselves progressive, liberal and open minded, accepting of homosexulality, atheism, drug use, fornication, maybe even adultery. While the religous right is not very tolerant of those acts, modern day christianity on the whole is mature enough to be largely accepting of persons with differing lifestyles, albeit with vehement disagreement on the morality of those acts. And even if Christianity were not accepting of those lifestyles and wished to harshly punish such, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights either prevents such punishment and retribution in its entirety or properly restricts the bounds so that the punishment is not cruel and unusual. I don't think you will find the same safeguards in the middle east. In fact, I think most, if not all of the above mentioned, are capital offenses and will get you hung in the street. I'm not smart enough to know whether the Iraq thing was wrong, history will tell. But I do know that Bush had some tough decisions to make after 9/11. If the middle east and those from the middle east migrating to the U.S. don't wish to impose there belief system and style of government on the U.S. and its citizens, then I guess we're ok and disengaging from the area would be less dangerous. But the message looked a little different when the WTC came down and I can see how U.S. leaders may have thought that trying to get a handle on what was going on over there would be wise. Hard to fault that viewpoint.

 

[6thGen]

Social Security surplus. This has been used in the governments general fund for years. So now we have a big Social Security shortage that had been addressed and rectified by previous presidents starting back with Reagan. And beyond that we just run a deficit in our national budget. We have had tax cuts not tax increases. If your taxes have gone up it's on the local level and only necessary then because of the federal tax cuts the current administration gave to the very wealthy.

Only the very wealthy got federal tax cuts? That doesn't sound fair, they should pay their fair share, right? And because they got tax cuts, I'll bet the total amount of federal tax dollars has dropped significantly, right?

 

[6thGen]

Am I missing something? My tax bracket actually dropped under the Bush reign. As stated by someone else here, the cost will come down the road and Obama will be stuck with raising taxes to pay for the Bush fiasco.
You can be sure that 6th Gen and others will be *****in then about Dems , big government, cutting spending and the usual right wing small gov't junk.

Or maybe he'll cut spending. Government surpluses are a very bad thing.