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Minimum Wage for SoWal???

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Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
shelly said:
Minimum wage NEVER is equal to a living wage ANYWHERE in the USA. But when the employer insists on a 39 1/2 hour work week (to avoid benefits) that's essentially what it's become.

I personally think the commute for low-wage employees back and forth to SoWal from "affordable" areas accounts for at least 2 hours of unpaid work per day. So at $12.50 ph for 8 hours in SoWal would be $100 per day which (if you add on the 2-hour commute) would come out to $10 per hour. Considering the additional cost of gas, wear & tear on the car, a jacked-up car insurance bill and commuting headaches...is it any wonder some would prefer just to roll out of bed and put in their 10 hours for 4-days at the DeFuniak Tastee-Freeze for a couple bucks less and getting another local part-time job to make up the couple bucks difference on the 5th day?

Just think--these poor souls have to work 1 1/2 hours to buy a fish sandwich off the bar menu at Cafe 30A (just as an example). Someone is making the money at the businesses in the area....employers are going to have to start narrowing their profit margins (or raising their prices) to pay their workers more (and yes, that may mean paying a living wage) or they will find it difficult to staff their establishments when the customers with money come rolling in the door.

The cheap labor who used to live in the surrounding communities have been pushed out of the area to make way for upscale development--now they want them to make a long commute back down in heavy, dangerous traffic for low wages? I don't think so.

Shelly, I appreciate your look at this. Working out another step brings forth another question. If these businesses, including restaurants, raise their prices to help pay higher wages, that employee to which you refer will now have more money to pay for that now even more expensive sandwich at Cafe 30A, but he wouldn't he still have to work 1.5 hours to do so, and wouldn't everyone else have to pay more too, including people not in the service industry?:idontno:
 
my take:
that employee will not be going to cafe 30a. he/she will be buying lunch at publix and dinner at snapperheads, when they don't prepare their own. that employee will be renting a house(or employee housing unit) with two or three other employees, and working two jobs. they want to live here just like everyone else, and enjoy the area. they'll buy their staples at walmart every two to three weeks, and their perishables at publix when needed. they'll smile at you when serving you, and discuss you when you leave. have two drinks at their work after closing and head on up to snapperheads till it closes. on their day off, they'll go to b/a, red bar, or 331 to where they know some other locals will be, and amuse themselves with the tourists. they'll go to borago before they go to fish out of water, or they'll go to amore, to support another working stiff who is giving it a go as an owner/operator.

when said employee desires a more permanent life, they will buy in freeport, bruce, or further north. the financing of this house will come with help from their parents. they will commute willingly, and still have two jobs, to support their home, spouse(who also works) and possibly their child. once they move, they will frequent a local(here) restaurant possibly once a quarter, for a special occasion, since they have discovered a reasonably priced establishment in their neighborhood to support. when their new locale grows enough to need it's own support personnel, we'll probably lose half of them. if you think finding construction labor is hard now, wait until freeport gets a full head of steam.

this is not conjecture, this is happening at every hot resort across the country.

the first person who opens a clean, non smoking, affordable hangout, that serves more than bar food, open at least two meal periods, is going to make a killing


jr
 
Good points, John R. I guess my question goes into the bigger picture of all prices will go up when businesses have to pay employees more wages. This would include the prices of groceries, gas, prepared meals, books, etc, etc.

I guess Shelly's scenerio has potential if the employees did travel back to Freeport and beyond to buy their goods. They would probably pack their lunch too to save some bucks.

If/when this does happen, most younger locals will be moving out to, because it is easier than driving to Freeport to buy all of their goods.
 
Ok. here is my honest attempt for a serious answer. If I'm totally off, smack me down and send me to the lounge.

As one of the punks who rolled in for the summer, I think I can give a little insight to this.

First...isn't this a cost of living issue? Sorry- I have little sympathy for someone who wants to complain about the price of a fish sandwich when I pay $8 for a beer or an easy $15 for lunch not including a cocktail. And at one time I made less than those lifeguards will be making. Trust me.

So when we moved down for the summers, Jfunn and I rented a place for about $850 a month. I worked at Mars and Venus in Seaside and we got roped into delivering for Wok on the Beach (blast from the past) from time to time for a little extra spending money. We boozed at the Red Bar, Buds, Capos, ect. We drove into Wal-Mart for grocery shopping like once a week. I lived off Boca Burgers and Easy Mac (come on guys...it's not THAT freakin' far). I know gas wasn't as expensive as it is today, but I bet lots of these kiddies have little gas cards in mom and dad's names.

I'm not feeling too sorry for them. I think they are being paid great for a summer job. And the majority of them are on their parent's insurance anyway. I know it was a little more expensive there compared to Bham or Auburn for me. Come on guys. It's not that bad.
 
I'd like to see this thread provide some real assistance to either an employer or employee when determining a reasonable wage for this area.

Does anyone want to research a range of rates, based on type of employment and other factors, that can backed up by figures (cost of living index etc.)

We could provide someone with a valuable argument for asking $___/hour.
 
The reality is that SoWal is now an upscale community and I don't think it will ever go back to what it was. So, it will continue to be expensive to live, vacation, and eat here (though there are still some great vacation opportunities at reasonable prices). People can still have a wonderfully inexpensive vacation here if they visit here during the off-season. You can rent a nice new 3 bedroom place a 5 minute walk from a gorgeous beach for well under $1000/week in the winter and not much more for a month in the winter -- just look on VRBO to see all that's available in the fall/winter. People can enjoy the many free things around here (e.g., beaches, nature, parks, free concerts/movies), cook/eat at home rather than go out to eat, are willing to double-up in their accommodations (not everyone needs a private bedroom), and find good meal bargains in the area (e.g., dining early in the winter, take-out, lunch specials, etc.). And this would still be quite the luxurious vacation.

Kimmifunn, I like your perspective. While I agree that raising the minimum wage would be the-right-thing-for-our-society-to-do, this situation can be viewed from multiple angles. And your angle is a useful (and I suspect pretty common) one, not only for SoWal but for other upscale areas, especially on the coast). We can hope that there will always be young adults who are willing to work jobs in funn/beautiful locations just to be in these locations for a while. And creative people who are really motivated to be here will figure out how to live here (e.g., sharing costs, eating mac and cheese) while working here and having funn here. It won't be easy, but a lot of good things aren't easy to achieve. That's what makes it so worth it when you get them. Those of us who use the services of people who work in this area will want to encourage them to keep working here by tipping well and being kind and encouraging.

It is indeed difficult to be in a situation in which you don't have the skills to make more than minimum wage (been there, done that). Yet many people in this situation don't think of themselves as "poor souls" and think it's creepy that other people think of them that way. That said, if we can't in the short term raise minimum wage, then we can look for other ways to help people who are living the mininum-wage life. Most people, including some people on this board and/or who have property in SoWal, aren't born into wealth or even middle class incomes and have learned valuable lessons from that experience.

So, in addition to worrying about minimum wage, we can actually take actions such as giving money to organizations that support education (e.g., college) for people who otherwise wouldn't be able to attend college. We can support community colleges in the area that open doors for many people who would otherwise continue to have minimum wage jobs. We can give our time to institutions that help people build skills and that provide support. We can help the teachers in the public schools give young students the best education possible a chance to see the opportunities that are available, and the skills to achieve their goals. We can volunteer our time in a neighborhood school so that teachers have time to teach. We can teach someone how to read. We can volunteer to coach a team of kids. We can send our kids to day cares with a sliding fee scale so that children at different income levels can get good day care and are exposed to all different kids of people. We can support our public schools by sending our kids to them. We can identify young people who are highly motivated and encourage them -- often a bit of support and advice from others is a stepping stone to a better future (even if the minimum wage isn't raised).

So, my point would be that while we're waiting for minimum wage laws to be changed, there are many other things each of us can do personally to (1) help people who are currently living on minimum wage and (2) find and encourage people who are willing to work in SoWal.
 
Paula said:
The reality is that SoWal is now an upscale community and I don't think it will ever go back to what it was.

So, my point would be that while we're waiting for minimum wage laws to be changed, there are many other things each of us can do personally to (1) help people who are currently living on minimum wage and (2) find and encourage people who are willing to work in SoWal.

I agree with you on these points. BUT what about this upcoming summer season? On another thread there is a comment about the poor service and cold food at Shades; and the bad attitude of (drug addicted?) staff. If this is a problem in the dead of winter, my guess is that this problem is going to grow 1,000-fold when the tourist season hits.

On another note, while it is true SoWal's beaches are popular, the relatively low-cost, laid-back beach atmosphere was a BIG draw for many. But with the real estate and insurance costs soaring and the low-cost labor forced out of the area, the place will never return to what it was. If folks want an upscale surrounding as far as the eye can see and beyond, they're going to have to pay upscale (and beyond) wages to make the employee's trip worthwhile. Just because tourists think the place is fabulous (as they sip cold drinks and look out to sea)--doesn't mean it is equally enjoyable for someone who's humping dishes or cleaning condos and faces a 2 hour commute each day. Visitors say they hate driving to Destin or PCB during their stay because they can't stand the traffic--imagine doing that 2x per day for 5-6 days a week? (I've worked in Hawaii for a number of years and believe me, it's not Aloha and Mai Tai's around the clock, especially if you have bills to pay.)

Don't discount the NEED for service workers in resort areas--the world would not function properly if everyone was a college graduate. As long as developers continue being cheered on as they build retail and sprawling high-rise condos (all of which require some sort of staff to maintain) finding staff will become more and more of a problem--and not the developers' problem; they simply build, sell, and move on. Honest, hard-working, motivated employees will come at a premium price--business owners who know this will pay the price, those who choose to ignore it will also pay the price, but in a different way.

What can be done now? There is a young man on this board who is desperately looking for an affordable place to live (working security at SanDestin). Why not offer up that young man an affordable place to stay--that would be good place to start.
 
Smiling JOe said:
that employee to which you refer will now have more money to pay for that now even more expensive sandwich at Cafe 30A, but he wouldn't he still have to work 1.5 hours to do so, and wouldn't everyone else have to pay more too, including people not in the service industry?:idontno:

Joe, the sandwich thing was just to make a point to put the offering price for cheap labor into perspective. If they worked at 30A they'd get the sandwich for free, if they worked at the Prada shop they'd brown-bag a bolgna sandwich from home.
 
SHELLY said:
Joe, the sandwich thing was just to make a point to put the offering price for cheap labor into perspective. If they worked at 30A they'd get the sandwich for free, if they worked at the Prada shop they'd brown-bag a bolgna sandwich from home.

yes, the free sandwich staff meal, 5 of 21 meals/week.


jr
 
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