Seriously? the American Flag?

Lynnie · Oct 14, 2009

jdarg said:
Is it private property?

Good point. The article doesn't address this, but usually apartments are privately owned.

I would still fly my American Flag, however. If it meant eviction, I would gladly leave a slum lord like that.

Santiago · Oct 14, 2009

AlphaCrab said:
No. What is "serious" is how Fox "Noise" has now quickly becomes Sowal "Noise". I am inclined to believe Fox Noise is now becoming the mouth piece of Sowal.Com. :angry: ..and part of the vast right wing conspiracy here in the Panhandle!

edit: Personal attacks are not allowed on SoWal.com

Jdarg · Oct 14, 2009

Lynnie said:
Good point. The article doesn't address this, but usually apartments are privately owned.

I would still fly my American Flag, however. If it meant eviction, I would gladly leave a slum lord like that.

I would probably leave too.

It is very much a non story if it is private property- where are the personal property rights people? The owner should be able to make the rules for his own land, right?

Lynnie · Oct 14, 2009

jdarg said:
I would probably leave too.

It is very much a non story if it is private property- where are the personal property rights people? The owner should be able to make the rules for his own land, right?

I don't know? But, when you're renting the rights to someone else???

Their local news thought it was a pretty viable story. :idontno:

Jdarg · Oct 14, 2009

Lynnie said:
I don't know? But, when you're renting the rights to someone else???

Their local news thought it was a pretty viable story.

I think it would be a story if the landlord denied them running water or electricity or access to the building, but is it a legal right to be able to display the flag on property that does not belong to you? What if the same tenant was denied the right to display a swastika? Is that a story? I'm still not saying I agree with the landlord, but I find these type of things interesting.

The reporting news channels knew this would be a draw- you are smart enough to know that.

Lynnie · Oct 14, 2009

jdarg said:
I think it would be a story if the landlord denied them running water or electricity or access to the building, but is it a legal right to be able to display the flag on property that does not belong to you? What if the same tenant was denied the right to display a swastika? Is that a story? I'm still not saying I agree with the landlord, but I find these type of things interesting.

The reporting news channels knew this would be a draw- you are smart enough to know that.

You're right. It's not newsworthy.

sullygromo · Oct 14, 2009

Now, to be clear...I believe this is ridiculous and I am baffled why anyone would do this....however, SunSpot...I'd guess that a big part of your political ideology has to do with the US Government staying out and off of your "personal property". If I am wrong in assuming this, I apologize. However, if I am right.....isn't that all the ACLU is defending in this case? A persons right to not have other people (or the g'vmt) tell them what to do on their own personal property? The apartment buling in question is "private property"...just b/c we don't agree with the persons opinion doesn't give them less rights as an American. Ever.

sunspotbaby said:
You ought to be "up in arms" when some jackass says you can't fly the American Flag in ....AMERICA.

Lynnie · Oct 14, 2009

CSully said:
Now, to be clear...I believe this is ridiculous and I am baffled why anyone would do this....however, SunSpot...I'd guess that a big part of your political ideology has to do with the US Government staying out and off of your "personal property". If I am wrong in assuming this, I apologize. However, if I am right.....isn't that all the ACLU is defending in this case? A persons right to not have other people (or the g'vmt) tell them what to do on their own personal property? The apartment buling in question is "private property"...just b/c we don't agree with the persons opinion doesn't give them less rights as an American. Ever.

Holy Smokes! The ACLU is now involved? Is it confirmed that it is private property? And, is this in their leases? I don't know about OR, but in states I am aware, tenants have rights unless otherwise outlined in a lease, which is legal and binding.

If they want to implement a change, the leases must properly be amended. To discuss eviction with a tenant over an 'unknown' right seems over the top. Were they served notices in writing or threatened verbally? Evidently, the complex did see the error of their ways and retracted their 'new rule.'

Mermaid · Oct 14, 2009

sunspotbaby said:
Oregon Apartment Complex Bans Flying the American Flag - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported.

Residents' outrage started when Jim Clausen, whose son is in the military and on his way back to Iraq, was told he couldn't fly an American flag from the back of his motorcycle.

If he didn't take the flag down, he was told he'd face eviction, the station reported.

"It floored me," Clausen told the station. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying. It [the flag] stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly the flag."

Sharron White, a long-time resident, was told by management to take down the flag she's flown on her car for eight years because "someone might get offended."

"I just said to her, 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White told the station.

The ban also applies to flag stickers on cars, as well as sports flags.

KATU attempted to contact management at the apartment complex, but no one returned their calls.

Click here to read more on this story from KATU.

I don't think, based on the Freedom to Display The American Flag Act of 2005 (signed a year later by then President Bush), that it's legal for the apartment manager to ban the flag. There is some wiggle room in the Act but it doesn't seem to apply to this particular situation. As follows:

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Jdarg · Oct 14, 2009

Mermy, this sounds like it applies to people who actually own property- like condos, townhomes, in 'hoods with HOAs.

A good news story would have researched the legality of it all to find out if the apartment owner or renters had the rights.

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